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</style><div role="note" class="hatnote navigation-not-searchable">This article is about the NPR outlet and podcast. For the use of more than one language in speech, see <a href="Code-switching" title="Code-switching">Code-switching</a>.</div>

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</style><table class="infobox"><tbody><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-above" style="background: #ccccff">Code Switch</th></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="infobox-image"></td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header" style="background: #ccccff">Presentation</th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Genre</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="Race_(human_categorization)" title="Race (human categorization)">Race</a> and <a href="Culture" title="Culture">Culture</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Language</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="English_language" title="English language">English</a></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Updates</th><td class="infobox-data">Weekly</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Length</th><td class="infobox-data">About 30 minutes</td></tr><tr><th colspan="2" class="infobox-header" style="background: #ccccff">Publication</th></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Original release</th><td class="infobox-data">May 2016</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label">Provider</th><td class="infobox-data"><a href="National_Public_Radio" class="mw-redirect" title="National Public Radio">National Public Radio</a></td></tr></tbody></table>

Code Switch is a <a href="Podcast" title="Podcast">podcast</a> from National Public Radio (<a href="NPR" title="NPR">NPR</a>), and an online outlet covering race and culture.<a href="#cite_note-1">[1]</a> Code Switch began in 2013 as a <a href="Blog" title="Blog">blog</a>, and a series of stories contributed to NPR radio programs.

The Code Switch podcast launched in 2016, hosted by <a href="Gene_Demby" title="Gene Demby">Gene Demby</a> and <a href="Shereen_Marisol_Meraji" title="Shereen Marisol Meraji">Shereen Marisol Meraji</a>. In 2022, BA Parker joined the podcast as a co-host.<a href="#cite_note-2">[2]</a> In 2020, in the wake of the <a href="George_Floyd_protests" title="George Floyd protests">George Floyd protests</a>, it became one of NPR's top ranked podcasts.<a href="#cite_note-3">[3]</a> In 2020, it was named Apple's Podcast of the Year.<a href="#cite_note-:1-4">[4]</a>

<div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="History">History</h2></div>

Code Switch was launched in 2013 with a $1.5 million grant from the <a href="Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting" title="Corporation for Public Broadcasting">Corporation for Public Broadcasting</a>; it developed as a blog and contributed stories to a variety of NPR programs.<a href="#cite_note-5">[5]</a> <a href="Harvard_University" title="Harvard University">Harvard</a>'s <a href="Neiman_Lab" class="mw-redirect" title="Neiman Lab">Neiman Lab</a> describes the project as "designed to increase coverage of race issues and reach out to new audiences" at NPR and affiliated media outlets.<a href="#cite_note-:0-6">[6]</a>

The blog began publishing on April 7, 2013, with <a href="Gene_Demby" title="Gene Demby">Gene Demby</a>'s introductory essay "How Code-Switching Explains The World".<a href="#cite_note-7">[7]</a><a href="#cite_note-8">[8]</a>

The outlet's name refers to the linguistic phenomenon of <a href="Code-switching" title="Code-switching">code-switching</a>, when speaker moves between multiple languages or dialectics. Demby's introductory essay said the project construed the concept broadly, with the linguistic concept also serving as means of analyzing aspects of race and culture in identity: "Many of us subtly, reflexively change the way we express ourselves all the time. We're hop-scotching between different cultural and linguistic spaces and different parts of our own identities—sometimes within a single interaction."<a href="#cite_note-9">[9]</a>

<div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Content">Content</h2></div>

<a href="Harvard" class="mw-redirect" title="Harvard">Harvard</a>'s <a href="Neiman_Foundation_for_Journalism" class="mw-redirect" title="Neiman Foundation for Journalism">Neiman Lab</a> described the Code Switch project as a "forward-thinking effort given the rapidly changing demographics in the U.S.[;] Code Switch has grown into a place where reporters tries to consider issues around race with nuance, whether that's the myth of the <a href="Color_blindness_(race)" class="mw-redirect" title="Color blindness (race)">colorblind</a> <a href="Millennials" title="Millennials">millennial</a>, or going deep on the hit <a href="Broadway_theatre" title="Broadway theatre">Broadway</a> musical <a href="Hamilton_(musical)" title="Hamilton (musical)">Hamilton</a>."<a href="#cite_note-10">[10]</a> The outlet has also drawn notice for reporting and commentary on topics ranging from sports<a href="#cite_note-11">[11]</a> and <a href="Reality_television" title="Reality television">reality television</a>,<a href="#cite_note-12">[12]</a> to the <a href="Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States" title="Supreme Court of the United States">Supreme Court</a>.<a href="#cite_note-13">[13]</a>

Code Switch founder and reporter <a href="Kat_Chow" title="Kat Chow">Kat Chow</a> has also described the project as especially interested in the "second beat" of a story: "If there is breaking news, we want to take a step back and see what this actually means. What is there to report on that hasn't already been said?"<a href="#cite_note-14">[14]</a>

<div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Staff">Staff</h2></div>

Team members have included Gene Demby, who is lead blogger and cohosts the podcast<a href="#cite_note-15">[15]</a> with reporter <a href="Shereen_Marisol_Meraji" title="Shereen Marisol Meraji">Shereen Marisol Meraji</a>; <a href="Tasneem_Raja" title="Tasneem Raja">Tasneem Raja</a>, senior digital editor;<a href="#cite_note-16">[16]</a> supervising senior producer Alicia Montgomery;<a href="#cite_note-17">[17]</a> Matt Thompson<a href="#cite_note-:0-6">[6]</a> and Kat Chow.<a href="#cite_note-18">[18]</a>

<div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Podcast">Podcast</h2></div>

In May 2016, the Code Switch team launched a podcast by the same name.<a href="#cite_note-19">[19]</a> Episodes are released weekly on Wednesdays.<a href="#cite_note-20">[20]</a>

The Guardian characterized the podcast as "courageous conversations."<a href="#cite_note-21">[21]</a> <a href="Wired_(magazine)" title="Wired (magazine)">Wired</a> said Code Switch's July 14, 2016, episode "Black and Blue" offered "thoughtful conversation about race and policing."<a href="#cite_note-22">[22]</a> <a href="Los_Angeles_Magazine" class="mw-redirect" title="Los Angeles Magazine">Los Angeles Magazine</a> said, "NPR's 'Code Switch' began as a popular blog, but its evolution into a podcast seems natural...it explores issues of race, culture, and politics in a personal way that flourishes in an audio format."<a href="#cite_note-LAM-23">[23]</a>

<div class="mw-heading mw-heading2"><h2 id="Awards_and_reception">Awards and reception</h2></div>

In December 2020, Apple Podcasts announced that Code Switch had been selected as 'Show of the Year', marking the first time that Apple Podcasts recognized a single podcast of the year.<a href="#cite_note-:1-4">[4]</a>

In 2021, Code Switch won an Ambie Award for Best Society and Culture Podcast.<a href="#cite_note-24">[24]</a> In 2024, Code Switch won the Ambie Award for Best Scriptwriting, Non-fiction.<a href="#cite_note-25">[25]</a>

In 2015, the <a href="National_Association_of_Hispanic_Journalists" title="National Association of Hispanic Journalists">National Association of Hispanic Journalists</a> awarded Shereen Marisol Meraji the "Radio, Feature News – Large Market" award for her Code Switch segment "Tandas".<a href="#cite_note-26">[26]</a>

Code Switch won the <a href="Online_News_Association" title="Online News Association">Online News Association</a> for best online commentary at a large outlet in 2014.<a href="#cite_note-27">[27]</a>

Despite generally positive reaction to the blog, some users in early years complained about practices and policies on moderating comments.<a href="#cite_note-28">[28]</a>

In 2016 Los Angeles Magazine recommended the Code Switch podcast as one of "5 Podcasts You Must Listen to This Summer".<a href="#cite_note-LAM-23">[23]</a>

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<li><a href="Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States" title="Race and ethnicity in the United States">Race and ethnicity in the United States</a></li>

<li><a href="Political_podcast" title="Political podcast">Political podcast</a></li></ul>

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<ul><li><a href="All_Songs_Considered" title="All Songs Considered">All Songs Considered</a></li>

<li><a href="All_Things_Considered" title="All Things Considered">All Things Considered</a></li>

<li><a href="Alt.Latino" title="Alt.Latino">Alt.Latino</a></li>

<li><a href="Consider_This_(podcast)" title="Consider This (podcast)">Consider This</a></li>

<li><a href="How_I_Built_This" title="How I Built This">How I Built This</a></li>

<li><a href="Invisibilia" title="Invisibilia">Invisibilia</a></li>

<li><a href="Morning_Edition" title="Morning Edition">Morning Edition</a></li>

<li><a href="No_Compromise_(podcast)" title="No Compromise (podcast)">No Compromise</a></li>

<li><a href="Planet_Money" title="Planet Money">Planet Money</a></li>

<li><a href="Rough_Translation" title="Rough Translation">Rough Translation</a></li>

<li><a href="The_Thistle_%26_Shamrock" title="The Thistle & Shamrock">The Thistle & Shamrock</a></li>

<li><a href="Throughline" title="Throughline">Throughline</a></li>

<li><a href="Tiny_Desk_Concerts" title="Tiny Desk Concerts">Tiny Desk Concerts</a></li>

<li><a href="Up_First" title="Up First">Up First</a></li>

<li><a href="Weekend_Edition" title="Weekend Edition">Weekend Edition</a></li></ul>

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<li><a href="Bullseye_with_Jesse_Thorn" title="Bullseye with Jesse Thorn">Bullseye with Jesse Thorn</a></li>

<li><a href="Fresh_Air" title="Fresh Air">Fresh Air</a></li>

<li><a href="Latino_USA" title="Latino USA">Latino USA</a></li>

<li><a href="Mountain_Stage" title="Mountain Stage">Mountain Stage</a></li>

<li><a href="Piano_Jazz" title="Piano Jazz">Piano Jazz</a></li>

<li><a href="StoryCorps" title="StoryCorps">StoryCorps</a></li>

<li><a href="World_Cafe_(radio_program)" title="World Cafe (radio program)">World Cafe</a></li></ul>

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<li><a href="Bryant_Park_Project" title="Bryant Park Project">Bryant Park Project</a></li>

<li><a href="The_Diane_Rehm_Show" title="The Diane Rehm Show">The Diane Rehm Show</a></li>

<li><a href="Earplay" title="Earplay">Earplay</a></li>

<li><a href="Jazz_Profiles" title="Jazz Profiles">Jazz Profiles</a></li>

<li><a href="News_%26_Notes" title="News & Notes">News & Notes</a></li>

<li><a href="NPR_Playhouse" title="NPR Playhouse">NPR Playhouse</a></li>

<li><a href="Radio_Expeditions" title="Radio Expeditions">Radio Expeditions</a></li>

<li><a href="Talk_of_the_Nation" title="Talk of the Nation">Talk of the Nation</a></li>

<li><a href="State_of_the_Re%3AUnion" title="State of the Re:Union">State of the Re:Union</a></li></ul>

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<ul><li><a href="Don_Quayle" title="Don Quayle">Don Quayle</a> (1970–1973)</li>

<li><a href="Lee_Frischknecht" title="Lee Frischknecht">Lee Frischknecht</a> (1973–1977)</li>

<li><a href="Frank_Mankiewicz" title="Frank Mankiewicz">Frank Mankiewicz</a> (1977–1983)</li>

<li><a href="Douglas_J._Bennet" title="Douglas J. Bennet">Douglas J. Bennet</a> (1983–1993)</li>

<li><a href="Delano_Lewis" title="Delano Lewis">Delano Lewis</a> (1993–1998)</li>

<li><a href="Kevin_Klose" title="Kevin Klose">Kevin Klose</a> (1998–2008)</li>

<li><a href="Vivian_Schiller" title="Vivian Schiller">Vivian Schiller</a> (2009–2011)</li>

<li><a href="Gary_Knell" title="Gary Knell">Gary Knell</a> (2011–2013)</li>

<li><a href="Paul_G._Haaga_Jr." title="Paul G. Haaga Jr.">Paul Haaga</a> (2013–2014)</li>

<li><a href="John_Lansing_(journalist)" title="John Lansing (journalist)">John F. Lansing</a> (2019–2024)</li>

<li><a href="Katherine_Maher" title="Katherine Maher">Katherine Maher</a> (2024–)</li></ul>

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<ul><li><a href="List_of_NPR_personnel" title="List of NPR personnel">Personnel</a></li>

<li><a href="Public_broadcasting_in_the_United_States" title="Public broadcasting in the United States">Public broadcasting in the United States</a></li>

<li><a href="American_Public_Media" title="American Public Media">American Public Media</a></li>

<li><a href="Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting" title="Corporation for Public Broadcasting">Corporation for Public Broadcasting</a></li>

<li><a href="Executive_Order_14290" title="Executive Order 14290">Executive Order 14290</a></li>

<li><a href="List_of_NPR_stations" title="List of NPR stations">NPR stations</a></li>

<li><a href="NPR_Music" title="NPR Music">NPR Music</a></li>

<li><a href="NPR_controversies" title="NPR controversies">NPR controversies</a></li>

<li><a href="Pocket_Casts" title="Pocket Casts">Pocket Casts</a></li>

<li><a href="Public_Radio_Satellite_System" title="Public Radio Satellite System">Public Radio Satellite System</a></li>

<li><a href="Pacifica_Foundation" title="Pacifica Foundation">Pacifica Foundation</a></li>

<li><a href="Public_Radio_Exchange" title="Public Radio Exchange">Public Radio Exchange</a>

<ul><li><a href="Public_Radio_International" title="Public Radio International">Public Radio International</a>, 1983–2019</li></ul></li></ul>

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